Special Report on Psychopathy


The Alvin Wiley Correspondence

Comments From Readers

From: Goldenflower@...
Date sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:38:09 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: ark@cassiopaea.org

I thank you for proving that my suspicions were correct. I told Maynerd that you 2 weren't sophisitcated enough to understand what we were saying in our book, I told him that neither of you was coming from a tradition, therefore you had no training, I told him that channeling is an open door to evil and pernicious spirits. I told him that you 2 would take every thing he said, twist it all up and then throw it out to the public without a care for the ramifications. I told him that you weren't sensitive enough to understand Pythagorian geometry. I told him that Ark just another crack pot who calls himself (constantly I might add just in case we forget!!!) a 'Physicist'. Like that means anything. I told him that the 'C's' were the worst historians imaginable and that they had missed large and important, but secret, aspects of history. I told him that one could tell that she (Laura) was getting everything from books that she was reading and that not one, not one, original idea ever came from her material and that she had frankly gotten much very wrong. What can I say? I mean she's talking to spirits for crying out loud - how can we believe anything a bunch of spirits say? But no he wouldn't listen. I told him who you really are and who you are really working for. He said 'no' you're wrong Alvin. And I said to him 'then we will see by what happens. If they use your words against you publicly, if they say things that endanger your life, then we will know who is who.'

Thank you so much for proving me right. I asked God to help me with my BS radar and I called the shots on you 2 over a year ago. Jus ask Steve Oakly who also foolishly fell for your very intelligent operation. Maynerd is not lying when he says that he has lost $2000 on the Zaca deal. As Director of the lake I can confirm that his $2000 check has been cashed and deposited. (Please call Adina, the Zaca Lake Business Manager 805 688 5699.) I cannot give him his money back without breaking serious ethical rules. I will not break those rules as I have given my word to follow them. You owe him that money. This has nothing to do with me anymore. All I know is that you gave your word. If you break your word you should at least help him out financially. (I know you won't because destroying Maynerd was the entire point of the operation. ) (Read Fastwalker by Jacques Vallee, you and all of the others are pawns of an operation to destroy the old Gods and replace them with aliens and channelled beings, now the NWO will have gods that they can control).

I warned Maynerd and he didn't listen to me. I know who you are. I know what you are doing. You will eventually get someone killed with your foolishness. If you have an ounce of mercy, or free will, please stop your irresponsible words and think about what you are saying. Every thought that you place in someone's head is now directly related to your karma. When one goes public they take on a lot of karmic responsibility. You are not using your public responsibility in a good way.

Sincerely,
"Alvin Wiley"

PS - I need to say this because it is proof of how sloppy the 'C's' really are: Knowledge doesn't protect anything. Knowledge in the hands of fools is the most dangerous thing that there is. WISDOM protects. Wisdom is knowledge coupled with intuition. It is the intuitive part that protects, the knowledge part is actually the aspect of being that places us in great danger. Quit reading trashy conspiracy books and cheap psuedo science and try a little Rene Guenon. You will find out how wrong you are. Geez.


Date sent: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 04:53:29 -0700
To: laura@cassiopaea.org
From: ...@...
Subject: Channeled Lies

jay weidner - ...@cs.com (spider-wi014.proxy.aol.com | 205.188.197.24) wrote : Why do you lie when you say that others have backed out of the conference. This is not true. Not one has backed out except you (thank God for that!!!)

You are a liar which somehow doesn't surprise me. You are also lying about the entities no doubt. Thank you for all the great material you are giving me for my article that I am writing about you. Each one of your indescretions will be noted. I know what you are and I will tell the world who you are working for. All of your bullshit 6th and 7th density beings and you call yourself a Physicist. You couldn't get a job as a janitor.

I am telling VB to do the right thing and sue your asses into the ground. He needs to let the boys who are running your show know that we will not be trifled with. You should be sued for slander and I am telling Jirka Rysavy to do it as your claims are without merit. You have shown yourselves to be the perfect dupes. And your information is so full of crap it hurts. That's why you don't lis! t your sessions chronologicaly. You are back dating material as you find out what is right and what isn't. You are a classic intelligence operation and I intend to wipe you out. I am not afraid of you at all. I know that the devil runs as fast as he can whenever he is confronted. It is time to lay to rest all of this alien BS, this channeled crap and all the other lies that the NWO wants us to believe. If you expect anyone to believe that using a Ouja board is not Satanism then you should be attempting to get that fool into your organization. I told VB who you were, I said that time would tell.

Alvin


To: ...@...
Subject: Re: Channeled Lies
Date sent: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:18:48 -0400

On 10 Aug 2001, at 4:53, ...@cs.com wrote: > Why do you lie when you say that others have backed out of the > conference. This is not true. Not one has backed out except you > (thank God for that!!!)

Alvin, You are evidently uninformed: From VB email of August 6:

"The other speakers began backing out soon after word spread about your defection. If you didn't want to attend, because you didn't like the sponsor or the program agenda, the thing to do would have been to withdraw then. NOT wait until you are the only one left and then withdraw."

From VB of August 7:

"Which means that the conference is all yours. I'll handle the folks who were interested in the other parts of the program, and it will be a weekend with Laura and the cassiopaeans, exclusively."

WE didn't invent the above The only info we had was from VB. If you are interested in the truth, we can make all the emails available to you exactly as they came.

ark


From: Goldenflower@...
Date sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:29:41 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: ark@cassiopaea

When I write 'BS' please do not use the word .'bullshit'. You did this to make me look bad. [Note: Alvin used the word and we have the original email as evidence.]

Thank you for kind confirmation. I look forward to much more of your disinformation campaign. As you have been exposed to the world it is time to begin the slow work to destroy us.

Was it the Jon Benet piece that got you involved? I knew that it would attract an upper level situation. I guess I should be thrilled but I know that you will take every word and stretch it out until you have confused everything. I have seen your work up close and I know who you are. The sad part is that you actually think that you are acting on your own. What dupes. What pawns. Oh wait I have to leave, the Arkturians are calling from the stars!!! They have much information to impart! Where's my Ouija Board when I need it!!!

Channelingly yours

"Alvin Wiley"


From: Arkadiusz Jadczyk
To: Goldenflower@...
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:57:08 -0400

On 11 Aug 2001, at 13:29, Goldenflower@cs.com wrote: > When I write 'BS' please do not use the word .'bullshit'. You did > this to make me look bad.

Here is a VERBATIM opy from your email: """"All of your bullshit 6th and 7th density beings and you call yourself" Remember, every e-mail has an ID number, and copies are always stored on ISP servers. So we did not use the word "bullshit" to make you look bad - it is you who used it.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

ark


From: Goldenflower@...
Date sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:47:29 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: ark@cassiopaea

I know who you are and I know what you are doing. Shame on you.

Alvin


Date sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:02:01 -0700
To: ark@cassiopaea.org
From: ...@...
Subject: truth

bob roberts - ...@cs.com From : iron (spider-th034.proxy.aol.com | 152.163.213.59) wrote :

To correct another of your many and continuous mis statements - Jirka Rysavy does not, and has never, owned Zaca Lake. We are a US non profit corporation and you can look us up at the IRS. Just thought I would give a little help to you 'investigators'. Also you could have called our business office and they would have also told you the correct information. I guess when you can't find something on someone then you have to make it up.

I really do suggest you read all books by Rene Guenon. You will see that you ( and Maynerd and Stan) are part of a counter tradition. It is one that is born at the end of time, it is ruled by darkness and ignorance. It has no traditions and it attempts to shed light for the masses to understand. Instead you only spread more hate and negativity. Please quit being so paranoid and do what all good investigators do - pick up the phone and or go to the library. Not everything can be found on the internet. Sometimes you have to get off you f! at asses and do something physical.

Sincerely
J


Date sent:         Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:38:14 -0800
To:                   laura@cassiopaea.org
From:                ...@….
Subject:           J R

"Alvin Wiley" - ...@… From : USA   wrote :

To Those Concerned (both human and alien): (Please print my complete response or do not print any of it)

I, "Alvin Wiley", have never made any connections between the Jon Benet murder and Jirka Rysavy.  Anyone who claims that I have made any connections, or indeed made any insinuations, is lying.  I believe that any public statements stating such are libelous and I will send them on to the proper authorities.

Sincerely,
"Alvin Wiley"


Date sent:         Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:12:52 -0800
To:                   laura@cassiopaea.org
From:                ...@…
Subject:           Partner

jay weidner - ...@… From : usa    wrote :

To Those Concerned (Ouija spirits and humans alike):

(Please print all or none - thanks JW) I researched the book A Monument to the End of Time for ten years before "Maynerd Most" came on board to help me write the finished product.  Other than that we wrote one article "Innocent Murdered" and that is it.  I have also written vast amounts of catalog copy, articles, film scripts, books and instructional videos without Maynerd. To equate someone, who once helped me write, as my 'partner' is a misnomer.  Maynerd is someone who helped me, on occasion, because of my very busy schedule.

The Zaca affair was initiated by you guys.  You screwed our charity out of a prime weekend and $8000.  You could have called me before you let it get out of hand and we could have rescheduled something more to your liking.  Instead you took the wrong way out and didn't care who you screwed in the process.  That is why I am mad at you. We use the money we make here for a charity that creates free summer camps for inner city children.

I still believe that you are what you are and you have proven it more than ever now.  I didn't know of Maynerd's many claims to fame.  I liked him and still like him because he is a very good scholar.  If he has lied about his past - then shame on him.  However he is not, nor has he ever been, my 'partner'.

Sincerely, "Alvin Wiley"


From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: ...@...
Subject: Re: Partner
Date sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:08:43 -0500

On 9 Dec 2001, at 17:12, ...@... wrote:
> To Those Concerned (Ouija spirits and humans alike):
> > (Please print all or none - thanks JW)

Hello Alvin, Laura here:

While I understand your concerns and evident wish to distance yourself from the fall-out surrounding Mr. "Most", as well as any future legal action, and the resultant process of discovery which might include obtaining depositions from yourself, his many "references" including his "teachers" and former partners in the practice of "therapy," not to mention his claims about your employer/benefactor which figured so prominently in his "story," etc etc, I don't think that what you have written about the conference is something that you would want posted at present.

Here's why: Mr. "Most" has repeatedly claimed the following (his own words):

"Last January, a group of us decided to have a conference this fall, to celebrate the 13th year of Fifth Way and provide a chance for some of our more far-flung folks to get together and brain storm on all of their different perspectives on the approaching cosmic event. We had a lovely spot in southern California to hold it, with room for a large but still comfortable group of folks to gather for the weekend. It was priced to break even on 2/3 occupancy. No one, not the organizers nor the speakers, thought of it as a way to make money. Speakers received their airfare and expenses. If we did make any money, it was agreed to split it among the non-organizer speakers."

The conference was NEVER advertised as a "charitable" event either on Mr. "Most" website, nor in any of the public postings he has made about it, before or after.

In our particular case, the ONLY reason for agreement to attend, based on a "plan" formulated by Mr. "Most", was to present our books. That was it. The whole deal. As a rule, we don't DO conferences, and he knew it. But, as a favor TO HIM, to help his "business" sell the books, we reluctantly agreed on the proviso that 1) the books were on the table and 2)we could make arrangments for our children since he made it clear that he could not cover their air-fare or lodging.

(He has later claimed that he had already purchased tickets for all of us, but this is not true, or if it is, we were never notified and he knew that when and if the day came, we planned to rent a van and drive out so that we would not have to leave the children.)

So, you see the problem? If we publish your claims about a "charitable event" NOW, it will look like YOU are making things up to cast us in a bad light and to justify Mr. "Most" bad behavior. No one will EVER believe it. What is more, you are making claims that contradict Mr. "Most" repeated statements, as known to hundreds of people.

Now, in the event that what you are NOW saying is true, that it was a "charitable" event, that presents a further problem. You see, since it contradicts what Mr. "Most" has said, it will become an item at issue legally, and will require further "discovery." If he is shown to have misrepresented this event, as you suggest he did, it will be even more damning to him, and I get the impression that you are trying to help him.

So, please let us know if you wish us to publish your comments. We will, of course, have to publish them side by side with Mr. "Most" OWN remarks about the conference (of which there are numerous versions, none of which mention a charity), along with his original advertisement on his website, which also failed to mention said charitable nature of the event.

In either case, the reader will only conclude that somebody is lying and they will wonder if it is you trying to both justify Mr. "Most", and CYOA at the same time, or it will further confirm Mr. "Most" now evident habitual loose handling of the truth (to put it generously).

In all cases, we ARE interested in the truth. Can you provide us with evidence that it was a charitable event and that Mr. "Most" failed to inform both us and the public of that fact? That would be very useful legally.

Further, your remarks that he is not your "partner" will have to be juxtaposed against a dozen statements he has made that you ARE. Again, this is not helpful to Mr. "Most", and again I infer that you are trying to help him.

As noted, there are many people who will be involved in the event of any further action by Mr. "Most". Unlike Mr. "Most", we are not publishing anything about him or the situation that we can't back up with hard evidence or multiple witnesses.

I would also like to note the fact that, at ANY point in time, the entire process could have been avoided. In fact, we almost BEGGED Mr. "Most" to NOT post what were clearly twisted statements before he made his initial "spam" post that set the whole ball rolling. (Again, with witnesses.) Not because there was anything to hide, but because I could see, even at that moment, that if he posted lies, we would be obliged to respond to them and at that moment in time, we had NO wish to be placed in an adversarial position. We merely wanted to divorce ourselves from association for the stated reasons. That was all. It was necessary for us to explain to our private egroup why, but we had NO intention of announcing to the public and the readers this "why."

At that moment, Mr. "Most" had the option of just accepting our decision, which was legally sound and legitimate, (again, we did it with legal advice), finding a speaker to replace us, handling the matter in a professional way (speakers cancel all the time, and the organizers constantly find replacements and no blame is cast on anyone) and carrying on with his life and leaving us to ours. It was REALLY that simple.

His reasons for doing otherwise, and engaging you to think whatever you have thought about the situation, which we can only surmise based on your numerous comments, and engaging as many others as he could to libel us, slander, stalk, and otherwise do us intentional harm, may only be revealed in a courtroom. And again, that will be HIS choice, not ours. We do not attack anyone. But we do feel that we have a right to our own choices, and even to change our minds when we decide that we have made a mistake. And we do think that we have the right to defend ourselves when we are unjustly attacked, as is the case in this situation.

So, try to imagine a scenario in which Mr. "Most" did not start this ball rolling. Imagine we cancelled, and he accepted it, and found someone else, and an announcement was made that "for personal reasons, so and so have had to cancel, and we have been fortunate to replace them with so-and so!"

Imagine that Mr. "Most" had NOT spammed over 150 people with an email telling them that if they wanted to cancel, they would have to blame US, and WE were responsible for their refunds (completely illegal, by the way.)

Well, that is what he did.

But imagine that he didn't do it. Imagine how none of that which has followed would then EVER have occurred.

That would have been that. No fuss, no bother, no stalking, no defense, nothing.

And you will understand why we begged him NOT to make that choice.

Thank you,

Laura Knight-Jadczyk


From:                Goldenflower@….
Date sent:         Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:59:31 EST
Subject:           Re: Partner
To:                   laura@cassiopaea.org

Laura: I am not surprised at Maynerd's misuse of your name.  He is one terrible  business man - of that I am sure.

Let me state for the record that Zaca Lake Retreat was not putting on the  event in September.  We were merely renting the space to Maynerd's company.   Yes I was charging a reduced rate for the rent.  The money that Zaca Lake  would have recieved for the rental goes to Zaca Charity which provides summer  camps, with the funds, for inner city children.  That money did not come  because of the screw up.  You see, from my point of view, $8000 was taken  away from this program and that really irritated me.  It still does.

I have no idea what Maynerd was planning nor do I care.  I don't think that  he was planning some kind of occult event because he knew that I would be  dead set against any such activity happening on this sacred soil.  He left me  in the dark concerning the event and that also irritates me.

In the end the poor kids were the one who were ultimately screwed over in  this silliness.  And that's really too bad. 

Sincerely,
"Alvin Wiley"


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Partner

Date sent:   Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:09:19 -0500

On 10 Dec 2001, at 14:59, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> Laura:
 >    I am not surprised at Maynerd's misuse of your name.  He is one terrible
 >    business man - of that I am sure.

You are probably right.  But there is more than that here.  Let me explain in  response to what you have written regarding your own perspective:

>
 >    Let me state for the record that Zaca Lake Retreat was not putting on the
 >    event in September.  We were merely renting the space to Maynerd's company. 

Well, here is problem number one:  this is not the way it was presented.  It  was essentially that his "partner is in good with the owner.  He just gave it  to Alvin to run, and we can do whatever we like!" 

>Yes  I was charging a reduced rate for the rent. 

See above. The presentation we got was that You and V were the movers and  shakers of the whole thing... together... and, the fact is, as we have  discovered, V has no company! 

>The money that Zaca Lake would have
 >    recieved for the rental goes to Zaca Charity which provides summer camps, with
 >    the funds, for inner city children.  That money did not come because of the
 >    screw up.  You see, from my point of view, $8000 was taken away from this
 >    program and that really irritated me.  It still does.

Understandably.  However, I can guarantee to you that the presentation of the  circumstances, the conditions, the 'deals' and everything else about it - to  our entire group - was quite different.

So you can see why we were pretty shocked when you wrote and said "I can't  refund his money," because from what we were told, there was NO money being  paid to you by him, because you were PARTNERS in the affair.  See how it  looked?  And that is how these 200 other people saw it as well... In fact, you  were the one who ended up looking bad because you were jerking your partner  around!  You looked like a "co-conspirator."


 >    I have no idea what Maynerd was planning nor do I care. 

I think I would care when the results are that you are made to look sort of  "conspiratorial" and, if what you are saying is true - well that's how it ended  up looking.

>I don't think that he
 >    was planning some kind of occult event because he knew that I would be dead set
 >    against any such activity happening on this sacred soil.

We didn't care whether or not he was planning any weird things.  We were  getting a LOT of emails from readers who were concerned about our public  association with FWMS.  And the truth is, I hadn't paid too much attention to  all that.  The only time I had ever visited V's site was several months, or a  year, before, when all the research work on AMET was there and I downloaded and  printed all of it to put in a notebook to study.  At that point in time, IF  there were magical mumbo jumbo pages there, I didn't see them.  But our readers  sure were and they were very upset.  So, I went and had a look for myself on  the urls they were sending me.

I was a little upset.  To calm down our readers, we posted the disclaimer about  our appearance at this conference sponsored by FWMS - as well as galactic  alignment etc.  None of which is unheard of in conference matters - since my  husband has attended many of them over his 30 year career as a physicist.  He  has also organized several and was one of the organizers of the 10th Max Born  Symposium, a large conference, and the details of conference managment, what is  okay and not okay, how they operate, is a big part of his knowledge base.  We  thought that would be enough.

It was when I read the post about his "Equinox working" - in conjunction with  the issues on one of the physics lists about "anti-semitism" and it's  connection to black magic, that we realized that we were sitting ducks just  waiting to be picked off because of our association with a group of "Enochian  magicians" who were doing Golden Dawn type rituals.  You see, most of Ark's  colleagues are Jewish... the ones he works with on a day to day basis, our  livelihood.... and they were, at that very moment, on a major information  gathering rant about anti-semitists who were into black magic, enochian magic,  golden dawn stuff, etc. 

And would V give up his rituals or his FWMS or his mumbo-jumbo or take down  those pages on his site or whatever to protect us?  Of course not.  He had the  option, though we would never have asked him to.  But he COULD have offered.   He knew the situation.  He knew we were on the edge of the cliff being  associated with him.  And he did nothing.

So, you see, we had NO CHOICE. 

Oh, sure... if we had been confirmed Enochians or believers in all that stuff,  we might have thumbed our noses at all of Ark's Jewish colleagues who were on  the rampage about evil magicians and their anti-semitic stuff. 

But we weren't.  We are averse, against, whatever, all that sort of thing on  principle to begin with, and we were really upset that V could NOT figure out  that he was asking us to take so great a risk ... that he was busily posting  more and more magical stuff on his site... heating the water day by day.

Well, Hells' bells!  What were we supposed to do? 

Were we supposed to show up at a conference we didn't want to do from the  start, which we were doing only as a favor to begin with, costing us time,  money, and hassle... just to "honor friendship" or whatever?  When it was clear  that this "friend" had no concern whatsoever about US, our reputation, our  work, our risks that we were taking by being in association with him? 

See? 

For several days, I posted repeatedly to the group on the subject, giving V  ample time and opportunity to show himself friend or foe... Did he do anything?   Did he not see that he needed to do something?

Well, apparently not.  And with friends like that, who needs enemies.

The decision had to be made, we got legal advice, gave him a deadline in  writing, he defaulted, and that was that. 


 >   He left me in the dark
 >    concerning the event and that also irritates me.

Well, there is more than irritation going on here.  V is a very charismatic  person.  We and many others believed in him and were taken in by him.  And if  he hadn't acted so unprofessional about this whole thing, he would still be  "under cover."

 But if you could read the public posts he has made about us, the continual  stream of lies that comes out of his head,  - well, like those who haven't  checked the facts, you might believe him.  But when the facts are checked, the  lies are exposed.  And as hard as it was for us to believe, well, there it was.  The clear and evident proof that he almost never speaks the truth about  anything.  Even when he does, he twists it just slightly. 

Hells Bells, Alvin!  We could have solved the whole problem by telling a lie!  I  could have suddenly become "sick" - what an easy out! 

But we could not do it that way.   It had to be the truth, even if we had to  admit we had made a mistake agreeing to do the conference in association with  FWMS, (which, again, was ONLY for the sake of the publishing!!!!), that we had  egg on our face for making a bad decision that we now had to change, and we had  to tell the truth about why.

I hope that you read the series of reports on VB, including all that material  he used to convince 200 people they were probably experimented on by the Gov,  or raped by Satanists - and if it goes to court, a number of the women who were  persuaded to pour out all their intimate lives to him for "therapy" are ready  to come forward and testify... and keep in mind that he is now claiming it was  all just a "novelization," or "a joke." 

I'm sorry.  I must have missed the punch line.

Alvin, the plain fact is: he used us.  He used you.  He uses everybody.  It's  that simple.

>
 >    In the end the poor kids were the one who were ultimately screwed over in
 >    this silliness.  And that's really too bad. 

It is a shame.  But I can show you the hard evidence that this was NEVER  mentioned until you just brought it up. 

It is one of the hardest things in the world to admit youv'e been deceived by  someone you really like.  And believe, me, right up until a few weeks ago, I  still hung onto the hope that we were wrong - it was all a silly  misunderstanding... it was all a lack of communication... or maybe even the  actions of outside forces acting on any of the parties, maybe even including  ourselves.  I held out that hope because we LIKED V.

But we see now, after all the evidence is in, that his talent for  engendering  feelings of "we're hermanos" or warm fuzzies, or convivial scholarship, or  whatever, is his "trade."  That's how he survives.  That's what he does.  He's  good at it.  Damn good.  That is how he used your ten years of work, and some  very clever parroting of scholarship, to ride on your coattails with AMET.   That's how he persuaded us to forgo due diligence and not check up on him.   That's how he was going to use Ark and his credentials and our work to climb up  another step... he had a book that was in print due to YOUR work, he had  credentials on the Laura Lee show that nobody would think of questioning  because, after all, there IS a real book here in font of your face... he had an  appearance on the Discovery channel as an "expert" on Atlantis, based on YOUR  work and book with his name attached to it... And now he was gonna have a real  live, prize winning physicist with a 30 year career in his stable of  credentials.

He's so good at what he does that YOU were threatening to "wipe us out" on his  behalf - and he was nothing but a con artist. 

See how good he is?  One of the best, I would say.

I can't say I am surprised to learn that it was your work and not his on AMET.   It's becoming pretty standard to discover that nothing he has ever said was  true.  And that is the hardest thing of all to face.

And I guess we wouldn't have learned any of it if it hadn't been for the fact  that we were stubborn about sticking to our principles.  We weren't going to  play that game, and we weren't going to lie about it either.

Sorry for the kids.  Sorry for you.  Sorry for us.  Sorry for all the other  people who were hurt.  But not sorry for having learned a bit more about how  people can lie, and how careful we must be.

Best,
Laura


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Partner

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:22:47 -0500

On 10 Dec 2001, at 14:59, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> In the end the poor kids were the one who were ultimately screwed over in
 >    this silliness.  And that's really too bad. 

P.S. Since V made a HUGE issue of the fact that he was barely breaking even on the  conference after paying for the food, transportation, etc etc, and there would  be little left over for the presenters, how was it that 8 grand was lost to  charity?

I'm trying to do the numbers here, and it just isn't working out.  Help me out  here.

L


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Partner

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:33:47 -0500

On 10 Dec 2001, at 19:22, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> I didn't know that V was making such claims.  All I know is that we were owed
 >    $8000 for renting the place.  As it stands I am beginning to wonder just what
 >    the hell was happening.

Join the club of the shell-shocked.  I never understood how V could say such  terrible things about Mr. Rysavy, or how you could agree with them, and  continue to have relations with him. 

If I were Mr. Rysavy, I would be very hostile about V's claims that he (JR) was  a Satanist and a pedophile. 

And even though you will pooh-pooh this next remark, we asked C's and they said  that it was untrue, that Mr. R. was innocent of any such terrible things.  So,  even if you DO believe it, I don't.

Laura


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Comments on Zaca

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:41:09 -0500

 Just so you will have some idea of the commentary on my news to the group that  the Zaca Lake thing was supposed to benefit a charity, about which no one was  informed, here is an exchange between two members who had planned on  attending...


Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:31:18 -0000 
Subject:     Re: [cass]  VB
 
             

> Well, obviously no charity benefit was intended by Maynerd. 
 >  
Regardless, if it had been an  event for charity, part of the cost of the
 >  
ticket (normally the cost minus the cost of food and lodging and maybe a few
 >   other incidental things) would have been tax-deductible. I don't remember
 >   anything about any part  of the cost being tax deductible.
 >     
 >    L***

Right. The whole group knows that not one word was mentioned about   any kid's charity. Frankly, if that was the case, many folks would   have forfeited their deposit, or at least got a tax write off on it.   Who's scamming who here now?

A


From:                Goldenflower@…
Date sent:         Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:52:15 EST
Subject:           Re: Partner
To:                   laura@cassiopaea.org

Laura:

To be honest with you I don't  - and I didn't  - have the time to follow all  of this.  I am a very busy guy with running a video company, a major  catalogue, a book I am writing, and running my favorite charity - Zaca Lake  Retreat. 

I have been remiss in not watching what was happening.  After I finished  Amet, and 13 years of research, I was frankly, tired.  I didn't meet VB until  1996 when he was hanging out in Boulder with Dan Winter.  I told him about  Hendaye and the Cross and my visits to France.  He was egomanical, dismissing  much of what I said.  I recognized that he was heavily invested in his ego.   But he was also a scholar.  So I funded (with my own money) a research trip  to France.  He told me that he would pay me back for the trip but that was 3  years ago and I have yet to recieve a cent.  The same goes with the book.  I  have not recieved a penny for it.  But that was not why I wrote it.  I did it  because I owed  the future the telling of the message of Hendaye.  VB begged  me to help me and I let him.  My major regret with the book is it was obvious  that VB had no traditions from which he was getting inspiration.  So he is  constantly alluding to the 'great' black magicians. VB got such an ego charge  out of being associated with AMET that I quit having the large amounts of  contact time (usually on the phone at Jirka's expense!) with him. 

I have heard other rumors and I was certainly familiar with the Stan  Tenen/Dan Winter affair. 

I don't understand what you mean by anti-semitism at the conference.  Are you  saying that you have proof that there is a link between VB and Nazi Magic?   Please forward all info to me asap, if possible as I am very interested in  this. 

There is much here of which I was not aware.  All I can say is that I am  shocked. 

They shall reap what they sow and VB is certainly getting reaped. 

Sincerely,

"Alvin Wiley"


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Enochian Nazis - attached doc file

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:31:46 -0500

On 10 Dec 2001, at 19:52, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> I don't understand what you mean by anti-semitism at the conference.  Are you
 >    saying that you have proof that there is a link between VB and Nazi Magic?
 >    Please forward all info to me asap, if possible as I am very interested in this.

The situation was that a big discusson was going on among a number of  physicists.... colleagues of my husband, on the subject of a growing awareness  of th nature of the rise of Hitler and its connection to Magick (with a k, or  the spells don't work I guess), and many present day "magickal" groups with  anti-semitic agendas. 

In other words a DIRECT connection has already been drawn between the two in  certain circles, most definitely among folks like the ADL, etc.

Maynerd KNEW this.  We forwarded the posts to him about it. 

Is there a link between VB and Nazi Magic?  Well, read the attached excerpts  that I have posted on our website and you be the judge.  Keep in mind that VB's  main "tradition" is that of MacGregor Mathers (Golden Dawn) interpretation of  the "calls to the aethyrs based on the work of Dr. John Dee.

I have read the channeled material of Dee and it is 99 percent negative  entities with an agenda.

VB told me that he believed he was the reincarnation of Dr. Dee and it was HIS  job to finish Dee's work, which Crowley was unable to do, and Mathers failed  also.

So, read the attached and see what you think.  There is, of course, a great  deal more that I have put together, but it is lengthy and requires a huge  amount of background material to see the connections.  This little set of  excerpts boils it all down.

Laura

Attachments:   enochian.doc


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Hendaye and Ophanic Intelligences.

Date sent:   Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:07:07 -0500

Alvin,

The snips of info in the attached doc are right off VB's website, as we speak.  I have just pulled bits here and there, and included at the top his  bibliography so that you will see where it is all coming from... who is behind  the ideas, and who the ideals belong to.

I have extracted one particular paragraph and pasted it here.  Notice how the  claim is made that the Enochian workings and the Ophanic Intelligences of Dr.  Dee are given credit for the implied idea that VB was empowered to accomplish  the "complete unraveling of Hendaye's message." 

 "Kicked off by Enochian Apocalypse Working in Sedona in September of 1996,  which formed the etheric structure of a multidimensional geometry of  intelligence. The Apocalypse working completed, perhaps for the first time  since its transmission in the 16th century, the Enochian or Ophanic astral  communication device. This structure included the basic forms necessary to  harmonize the on-coming galactic alignments. Nick showed up for the working,  and helped align it to galactic center. He was the first to make a major point  of the Great Cross, but had the dates wrong. Many other major problems with  Nick, but his presence is a factor in the mix. A little more than a year later,  the Ophanic Intelligences announced that projecting the Tree of Life on the  Celestial sphere on the equinox for the next ten equinoxes was the simplest way  to align with the energy shift of the Great Cross. At the time they announced  this, I was still unaware of how the Tree of Life related to our discoveries  about Hendaye. It was indeed the OI angels that gave me the clue. From this  realization came the idea of the Gnosis Gnomon and its connection with the  labyrinth. That basic idea led to a complete unraveling of Hendaye's message.  Not just the moment of celestial alignment, but a hidden indication of the  process itself."  

 Attachments:   VB\Ophanic.doc


From:                Goldenflower@….
Date sent:         Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:25:45 EST
Subject:           Re: Hendaye and Ophanic Intelligences.
To:                   laura@cassiopaea.org

I have never read VB's site.  But I am now!!!!!!!

Sincerely,

"Alvin Wiley"


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Essential info

Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:06:19 -0500

 Hi,

In case you didn't see them, here are the announcements of two events at Zaca,  none of which mention anything about any of it benefitting charity.  We have  been unable to find any mention of this anywhere, so again, a lot of folks  might get irate that they were not informed that their conference payments were  possibly tax deductible.

http://www.sacredmysteries.com/Events2.html http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/events.htm

You are figured so prominently in these advertisments, that anyone will think  you participated in their composition.

If VB was in charge of all of this, promotion and so on, and your failure to  pay attention to what he was doing because you were busy and trusted him to  manage it is the reason behind it, many people will not understand this, and/or  will expect action to be taken by you.

Several members of the group have written to me that they remember VB telling  them that the reason you were able to get the use of the Zaca facility was  because you were the janitor, so when you fired your shot about Ark being  unable to get a job as a janitor, this was read by many as a protest from your  own position as a REAL janitor.

Did VB suggest that line? 

So, the problem here is that there is such a complete "story" that has been  created about you, your position in all this, that there really isn't a whole  lot you can say at this point to correct it without sounding like you were part  of VB's conspiracy then or now.

(Well, maybe a complete public declaration or something.)

What is more, there are a number of folks who have written to me who are  looking at VB's interest in children and Satanic Abuse - which is his big rant -  who have suggested that he operates as a "procurer" by his interactions with  children's camps. 

Charges of pedophilia or interacting with  what has been suggested as a "ring  of international pedophiles" is not an accusation with which you - or any  innocent person - would wish to be associated.  And, since that is a possible  future eruption over which I have no control since it is not even an idea that  I contemplated, you might also find that you have been "set-up" to bring up the  issue of a charity to benefit children's camps just now.  Even if it is the  truth, it's probably not a good time to suddenly reveal it.  In other words, if  you are truly innocent, you have been set-up in an almost unbelievable way. 

I am reminded of the McMartin pre-school thing and how that went out of  control. I don't know what I think about it, whether anything was really going  on or not, but I do know that once such ideas are bruited in public, it is  almost impossible to avoid the backlash.  You are in a very vulnerable position  just now.

As it happens, several people have suggested that VB accuses others of what he  does himself, and this does, indeed, seem to be his Modus Operandi.  And his  accusations toward your employer, Mr. R., are of just such a nature.  So, one  wonders about his own role in such things.  If such charges are ever made by  any of the folks who have suggested it, or if any connections are found between  VB and such activities, even if only circumstantial, it could have far reaching  effects on his many associates then and now. 

Since he has been making these suggestions, whispering them as the "big  secret," to the extent that even the physics list I mentioned discussed the  possibility that Mr. R was behind a ring of Satanic pedophiles connected to  Nazi black magic, (and I recognized the hand of VB there, for sure), and your  position as an employee of Mr. R, - well, do you see?

It is a hugely ugly situation.

It's a tough spot to be in.  And we realize that it could go way further than  it has.

We only have wished to defend ourselves against slander, libel and his vicious  twisting of facts.  We never, ever, dreamed that we would discover such a  history as we have about him.  And now, the speculations about what is REALLY  behind his deceptions is running wild.  I can't stop the snowball that he,  himself, set in motion.

So, be aware.  What you don't know about CAN hurt you.

L


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Partner

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:42:20 -0500

On 11 Dec 2001, at 11:34, Goldenflower@... wrote:


 >    I do not believe that JR ever did anything like you are saying that VB said.
 >   
 >    When no one else would support my research, long before I knew VB, Dan
 >    Winters, Stan Tenen and all of that crowd,  Mr.  Rysavy gave me money, sent me
 >    all around the world and much moral support in my search for the truth of
 >    Hendaye.
 >   
 >    That someone who has never even met JR to say that he is a pedophile and a
 >    satanist is deeply troubling.

Are you saying that VB has NEVER MET JR??????

Laura


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Partner

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:47:12 -0500

On 11 Dec 2001, at 11:34, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> That someone who has never even met JR to say that he is a pedophile and a
 >    satanist is deeply troubling.
 >   
 >    Shocked and dismayed

Okay.  So you are saying that VB never met JR.  (I am anticipating your  answer.)

So, next question is:  Did you purloin a copy of a rare book entitled "The  Architecture of Nature" from Mr. R's offices, and make a copy of it to give to  VB, as he claims?

Laura


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Hendaye and Ophanic Intelligences.

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:52:23 -0500

On 11 Dec 2001, at 11:39, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> What a bunch of shit.  The event he is talking about, I believe was in Aug. 96.
 >    VB didn't even know about the Cross at Hendaye until Nov 97 when I told him (I
 >    have witnesses).

 Well, he will say that it is the truth, and you knew it was the truth, because  it has been on his website all this time, and how could you NOT know it?

You see, when I pointed out that I was not aware of all his magickal nonsense,  his rebuttal was that I couldn't NOT know it because it was out in plain view  on his site.  I must be lying that I hadn't read it.

But, the fact is, I HADN'T read it.  I was only interested in AMET research,  and I followed that link, downloaded the pages, printed them, punched holes in  all of it (it was a lot) and put it in a notebook to read in comfort.

I NEVER knew he was into all that other stuff because the titles of the links  to those pages did not INTEREST me.

Well, there it is.  There is more of it, of course, and the more I learn, the  more horrified I am at the very, VERY clever series of traps that have been  laid for any number of people.

I wish I could think that it was just unconscious, but it is looking less and  less like that could be possible.

L


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Essential info [private]

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:03:03 -0500

On 11 Dec 2001, at 11:57, Goldenflower@... wrote:

>
 >      If I have done something - then my crime was to be more interested in my own
 >    work then the silly antics of VB. 

 snip>
 >     I am
 >    already irritated by how much time this silly business has cost me.

Again, join the club.  But in this case, you may just want to take time out to  look at what is going on, take protective measures.

We didn't for a long time.  We were so busy with our work, and paid so little  attention to what he was doing, until somebody wrote to us and said "Hey, you  BETTER look at this because it's getting ready to bite you."  And we looked,  and sure enough...

It took a lot more of our time to dig out of the pit than it would have to have  avoided it to begin with - assuming we had been paying attention.

There is an old Sufi principle of "awareness" that applies here. 

But, as you say, enough time has been wasted on it.  You have some idea of what  the deal is, we have some idea of what is going down, a lot of other people are  becoming aware of it, but I don't think that any of us really know the whole  story. 

So, let's just leave the next move to VB.  If he files suit, we will file for  discovery.  I can guarantee you that he will drag you and everybody else into  it, and, according to the rules of discovery, that means that all the claims he  has made about all the many people involved will be part of the discovery  process, and all of them will have to be deposed.

And, as you may recall, the fact that we were telling the truth, that we were  operating from a position of defense, meant nothing to you, either - because  all you knew was what VB told you.

How many people will feel the same about you, as you felt about us, if it comes  to that?

How many people are already convinced that you and your employer are involved  in something really dark because that is what he is telling people? 

He told it to Stan Tenen.  It was repeated to a physics discussion group of a  couple hundred folks... scientists and professionals. 

Yeah, it's a silly business, and it is taking time to deal with it.  But, as  the C's say "knowledge protects."  You might want to apply this and find out  what is going on.  I know that the lies he posts on his site are only the tip  of the iceberg of what he has said in emails and in conversations. 

Let me mention also, this rumor has spread to other discussion groups.  A  reader forwarded an email to me yesterday where it was being said that "Dan  Winter's publisher is suing the Cassiopaean people over 'content." 

Well, that is not true.  It's already a twist.  But, the fact is, we had over  15000 visitors to our site yesterday from people coming to check out the rumor.

If we hadn't posted the information that is there, they would have no basis  upon which to make an evaluation.

Think about that: 15000 - that's fifteen thousand.  Each one of those 15000  people will repeat something to at least 5 other individuals, with greater or  lesser accuracy.  That means that by tomorrow, 75,000 people will have heard a  1st generation version of the story.

By two days from now, maybe 375,000 people will have heard a 2nd generation  version with twists and embellishments...

So, just scale that down to VB's activities... he doesn't have as large a  readership as we do, but still, the same principle works.  It also works with  things that are repeated personally.

So, the 200 people on the physics list (Sarfatti's list) who have heard the  "rumor" about your employer... which was going around back in July, by now, it  has really traveled.

It is a seed in the minds of many people.

So, if later, VB declares that HE was just a dupe of others - which seems to be  his M.O. - and that seed is already planted, though no one can remember exactly  where or how they heard it, they will be inclined to believe it is true just  because they already "heard it somewhere."

In short, he is playing the oldest game in the world.  And like it or not, he  has made you one of the playing pieces.

But, again, let's just see what his next move is.

Relax, get some work done, as I intend to do as well.

Thanks for clearing up some things for me.

Laura



From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Warning Will Smith! 

Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:02:23 -0500

Here is the first message on the theme that was going around in late July,  early August.  

Please note the recipents.  I expect that you will recognize some of these  names...

Kochav ben Yehuda who responds to this is a member of the ADL, a big Zionist,  and the axe he was grinding was to lump all of us together into a big Nazi  conspiracy of Black Magicians a la "Stargate Conspiracy."  I guess that,  because my husband is from Poland, and Mr. R is from Europe also, that the both  of them are being painted with some kind of KGB/Satanist/ political agenda  (read anti-American) brush.

I can guarantee you that there was NOTHING on our site that was anti-semitic.   We have many Jewish readers and members of our e-group.  

In times like these, this is VERY dangerous.  Do NOT underestimate the danger  here.

Please read our page on this:  http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/stargate.htm

I later pinned Stan Tenen down about this "rumor" which I recognized as  originating with VB.  

I realized that the whole deal with Stan and Dan was a MAJOR manipulation by VB  who was playing both sides against the middle in a big way here.  Stan is as  much VB's victim as anybody who interacts with VB and stands up to his ego.

So, don't go tearing after Stan on this one.  He got it straight from VB.  In  all these things, we keep coming back to VB.  "Warning Will Smith!  Danger!  Danger!"

My opinion of Hurtak (who Stan is defending) is that he is either deliberately  evil, or he is just a tool.

Same with Drunvalo, et al.

------- Forwarded message follows ------- 
Date sent:   Sun, 05 Aug 2001 09:38:58 -0700 
From:        "Dr. Jack Sarfatti"  sarfatti@well.com>  
Subject:     In Defense of Jim Hurtak
 
To:           Stan Tenen     meru1@well.com
Copies to:   alan parker     cmdrparker@hotmail.com
Allen Cohen   SFORACLE@prodigy.net
Alpha 10   rmt@well.com
Arkadiusz Jadczyk   lark1@ozline.net
Bruce Maccabee   brumac@compuserve.com
"Bruce D. Curtis"   brucedcurtis@earthlink.net
"C.B. Scott Jones"   sherlight@ktc.com
Carol Rosin   rosin@west.net
David Gladstone   d1494@wwc.com
  Dick Farley   CloudRider@aol.com
Wes Thomas   west@sonic.net
"Vicki J. Ecker"   vecker@ufomag.com
Uri Geller   UriGeller@Compuserve.com
Steve Bassett   ParadigmRG@aol.com
Scott Littleton   yokatta@oxy.edu
Saul-Paul Sirag   sirag@pond.net
Ron Pandolfi   pandolfi@zzapp.org
Robert Alan Wolf   wolfr@usfca.edu
"Remy C."   remyc@prodigy.net
Nick Hubris   quanta@cruzio.com
Mike Coyle   vericomm@idiom.com
  Marcello Truzzi   truzzi@toast.net
Kim Burrafato   lensman@stardrive.org
John Alexander   APOLLINAIR@aol.com
Joe Firmage   joe@onecosmos.net
Jeffrey Griffith   jwgriffith@earthlink.net
Jeff Mishlove   jeffrey@williamjames.com
Jagdish   JagdishM@aol.com
Hank Harrison   Hankskids@aol.com
Glen Lindenstadt   glenl@pacbell.net
George Weissmann   GeorgeWeis@aol.com
  Eldon Byrd   tuc@kiva.net
"Dr. Crammer"   igjpkrem@bezeqint.net
Don Ecker   decker1@mediaone.net
Dan Smith   dansmith@clark.net
Shuny   carriso@libero.it
Kochav ben Yehuda   kochav_benyehuda@hotmail.com
Zoya Klebanov   zoya-k@inter.net.il
"Hudson, Ray (Santa Monica)"   ray.hudson@baesystems.com
Pamela Stonebrooke   galactic_diva@mail.telis.net
Laura Knight-Jadczyk   laura@cassiopaea
John Petersen   JohnP@arlingtoninstitute.org>
 Organization:Internet Wissenschaft Ausbildung Projekt

Thanks about Hurtak.:-)

Stan Tenen wrote:

>
 >    For the record, I met Jim Hurtak in Jerusalem in 1983.  He offered to
 >    provide an affidavit and deposition in my lawsuit against Mr. Winter
 >    because he was an eyewitness to the development of my work, and because he has
 >    serious academic credentials.  I've only had occasional contact with Jim over
 >    the years. It's always been cordial.  I've never detected anything beyond the
 >    obvious, and the up-front, in dealing with Jim, so I can in no way confirim
 >    any of the statements that have appeared here about him. From my point of
 >    view, Jim Hurtak was one of the few "stand-up" people who were willing to go
 >    on record and get involved when I needed help.
 >   
 >    I never quote Jim because I'm trying to reach Orthodox Jewish scholars, and
 >    techie-types, who would find any reference to channeled information
 >    discrediting.  It's my understanding that most of Jim's stuff is channeled. 
 >    It's been my experience that he is a sincere person, and that he does his own
 >    work.  What else can I say?
 >    
 >   
 >    deleted
 >   
 >   
 >    I asked permission of Nick Herbert to use the quote from Quantum Reality, and
 >    he gave permission.  Other than that, I've only met Nick on one or two
 >    occasions, and I've only spoken with him briefly.
 >   
 >    I have no personal knowledge of anything involving Ira, because I wasn't
 >    part of the scene when it all happened.  I've communicated with Ira via
 >    email a few times, and I sent him a video of a TV smear job on him.  But I
 >    have no personal knowledge of what happened.
 >   
 >    What else can I say?  Anybody can write anything they please.   I have
 >    noticed that a good deal of the slander and disinformation seems to be
 >    coming towards me from the same source -- people living in the former
 >    Communist Czechoslovakia and/or Poland.  The Melchizedek-Flower of Life
 >    cult, Mr. Winter whom I sued, and several other new-age lunatics have all been
 >    funded to the tune of several million dollars by Mr. Jirka Rysavy, the former
 >    CEO of Corporate Express, a Fortune 500 monolith. Rysavy was trained by the
 >    Czech Communist government for Olympic competition, and as I recall, part of
 >    his training was in Poland.  (There is an old Business Week article that I'm
 >    sure is available.)  Rysavy threatened me, and attempted to extort me into
 >    turning my work over to Mr. Winter, even though he knew Mr. Winter was
 >    involved in satanism, and even though he knew Mr. Winter was fascinated with
 >    nazism and was willing to use its antisemitic methods.  Rysavy is now running
 >    a company called Gaiam, which is buying up health food and "new age"
 >    independents.  Gaiam bought Real Goods in Ukiah CA., for example.  I hear from
 >    people who are business acquaintances of Mr. Rysavy that he's planning an
 >    international Cable TV and/or Internet network that he intends to use to
 >    corner the market for public communication on new-age lunacy.  He plans to
 >    salt his program schedule with innocent serious people for credibility, but to
 >    load it up with his loony tune friends.  I've personally met Mr. Rysavy.  He
 >    was in my house.  This is a very dangerous person.  It's my suspicion that Mr.
 >    Rysavy is fronting for something else.  Internet speculation includes claims
 >    of KGB, Nazi gold, and just about every other ill source you can imagine.  I
 >    haven't a clue.  All I know is that these guys are all bad news.
 >   
 >    Most of what I'm writing is confirmed in sworn affidavits and
 >    depositions.  Some of it is based on discussion with Mr. Winter's family
 >    members, and with former friends and former associates of Mr. Rysavy and
 >    Mr. Melchizedek.
 >   
 >    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.  big smile>
 >   
 >    Best,
 >    Stan
 >    
Jack writes:  I have never once saw any channelled ET material that was not vague Macroshift  psycho-babble like you read in Gary Zukav's "Seat of the Soul" for example. I  have seen a lot of this stuff from Esalen's "Jenny and The Nine" promoted by  Werner Erhard, to "The Course in Miracles", "Seth" the "30 Thousand Year Old  Man" channelled by that woman in Pacific North West etc. A lot of this New Age  macroshift has penetrated US Mil Intell BTW. It was a way for KGB to  infiltrate.  The memes are still out there with a life of their own now on the World Wide  Web  like computer viruses - they are psychotronic unexploded land mines that  "clear"  the mind of the gullible leaving it blank for cultish manipulation for Fifth  Column Trojan Horse sabotage that not only "weakens American Science" (Ed  Teller) but also weakens American Foreign Policy and American Defense Policy.  The Clinton Administration was very susceptible in those New Age Fests on that  island. Gore seemed quite susceptible. I would be surprised if Clinton really  fell for it, he is too intelligent, but I am sure he enjoyed the beautiful  women  who are always at these things. I know from personal experience back in the  70's  and early 80's.:-)

 
From:        "Kochav ben Yehuda"  kochav_benyehuda@hotmail.com
To:           sarfatti@well.com, meru1@well.com  Copies to:      [Same list of recipients]  BCC to:      [God only knows how many others...] 
Subject:     Re: In Defense of Jim Hurtak 
Date sent:   Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:02:27 +0200

Well as it happens, Laura and Ark Jadczyk are selling such vague Macroshift  psycho-babble. They must have seen too many sci-fi movies, and got stuck on the  Matrix.

Now I do not want to deprive a hard working person, like Ark Jadczyk of   engaging in this kind of fanatsy world for the purpose of relaxation.  However he has seen it fit to include in their phantasy world ancient   anti-Semitic crap, like the Jews that are set out to manipulate the world   (by not sharing their precious genes in this particular psycho-babble drag).

Ark, who felt threatened, then found it necessary to lash at Stan, who   answered that he had experienced that "a good deal of the slander and   disinformation seems to be coming towards me from the same source -- people  living in the former Communist Czechoslovakia and/or Poland".

So what do we have here?  A Polish scientist, whose wife "channels" aliens who tell her all kind of   garbage about the Jewish people, About Torah and about G-d.

Instead of them keeping this inside their house, they have chosen to spread  this  anti-Semitic crap over the internet.

I find it important that fellow scientists, and people who detest   anti-Semitism are aware of their dark hobby, and will try to stop these   people from spreading this garbage further.

Kochav

--  CREATE, COMMUNICATE, COLLABORATE  http://stardrive.org 
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From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Partner

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:20:35 -0500

 On 11 Dec 2001, at 13:19, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> VB has never met JR.  Not ever.  If he says they have met then he is lying.  I
 >    am getting very pissed off now.
 >    

He not only has said he met him, he has said that he "saw right through him"  and that is why JR was "afraid of him" and "fired him" and kept you on... you  being the "weak link," as he wrote in his post that is on the website.  (with  Mr. R's name removed as I have no wish to help VB spread his lies.)

Alvin, do NOT get pissed off.  Do not go off like a firecracker here.  That will  just give him ammo.  You have to think very cool here now.  

It does no good when you are in a foxhole to suddenly get fired up, jump up and  run screaming onto the battlefield because you are mad at the enemy whose  presence has just been revealed.  All you will do is get yourself shot up.  

This is a serious situation.  It is NOT a joke.  There is some kind of spider  web being spun all around, and VB is clearly not working on his own.  It would  be impossible, as far as I can see.

We have discovered hard, incontrovertible evidence of his lies.  I have all the  addresses of the individuals who have refuted his claims.  They are real people  who, if necessary for proof, can be contacted and validated.  

That he has been engaged in this for a long time, that he leaves a trail of  destroyed lives and destruction, and stolen material everywhere he is  identified is pretty much a given at this point.

He manipulated you to think things about us.  He manipulated Stan Tenen to  think things about Mr. R.  He manipulated Dan Winter.  He has been involved  with Drunvalo, someone about whom I know some things that I had better not say  just yet.  I need the evidence and don't have it though it has been promised.

Again, let's wait and see what his next move is.  I do not for a moment think  that he has given up.  

By the way, here is a private email he sent to me.  I have it with all the  headers so it can be validated if necessary and our server keeps copies, so he  can never deny having written it. 

I had shared Stan Tenen's responses to my questions about where he heard the  info about Mr. R with someone who, apparently, was under VB's influence, and  this person forwarded it to VB and VB thought it had come from Stan, which it  did not. 

We wrote to Stan, as I said, AFTER that post was sent around to the Sarfatti  list.  We wanted to know where he heard all this info about JR, since it was  almost word-for-word what VB was saying.

Please note what VB says about JR in the following, calling him "the devil  himself.":


Date sent:   Sun, 07 Oct 2001 08:45:58 -0400 
Subject:     Re: notice
 
From:        "Maynerd Most"  ...@ac.net
To:            laura@cassiopaea lark1@ozline.net>

 Dear Laura and Ark,

Isn't it interesting how things play out?

Yesterday for instance I received an email apparently from Stan Tenen (But,  knowing how you like to play with that forward-without-editing button, it could  have come from you. Is this the response you intended to elicit?) sharing some  snippets from a lengthy email correspondence he conducted with you over a month  ago. So, you guys are going to gang up on me, huh? Birds of a feather...

Look, you just go ahead and get in bed with slimy Stan and see how you like it.  He certainly is litigious, isn't he? Be sure he doesn't end up trying to sue  you. I know he doesn't know your true opinions about Jews and Yaweh, or he  wouldn't be trying to use you as an ally.

Frankly however, you deserve each other...

 Do you really want in the middle of this? Partnered with Stan Tenen? And  funded, as most of Stan's legal work has been funded, by Mr. Rysavy himself? I  suppose it would solve all those money issues you keep asking the Cs about,  just  get a check for 10K a month from the Devil himself... heh, it would save wear  and tear on all of us...

And I see that you are going ahead with the publication of Noah, really  running up those credit cards aren't we? Well, since that's the case, it's  time we sent you the bill for design and editing work on the original Noah. We  had a verbal agreement, tacitly agreed to by your public statements and  actions,  to produce your work for publication. Since you chose to break that agreement  without any valid reason, you are liable for the cost incurred. If you won't or  can't pay, we'll have to sue you, and get a lien and/or an injunction against  the new version of Noah.

Since we have now repaid everyone for the conference, and I have their  certified letters following your published pattern of harassment on the  issue, it might also be time to sue you for the damages incurred in that  little fiasco. I'd really like to hear you tell the judge how you came to  make that decision. Let's hope he's open minded about 6D disembodied  sources...

I'll be returning the Cs transcripts along with the bill. I've finished  mining it for insight. My next book, well under way, is The Pathology of  Channeling and guess who the main character will be? Don't worry, I didn't  use any of the transcripts themselves, "Who needs it?" as P&P said, just  selections from the website. I did however use my personal experience of you  and  your "work" to draw some clinical conclusions. Who knows, maybe this is the  book  that will finally put channeling in the DSM where it belongs, right between  Narcissism and Schizo-affective disorder...

So maybe you'll be famous after all...

Maynerd

PS - Don't you need a license to practice hypnotherapy in Florida?


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Partner

Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:23:37 -0500

On 11 Dec 2001, at 13:24, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> VB does not have a copy of Architecture and he never has.  No I did not
 >    purloin, steal or borrow anything ever from Jirka Rysavy's office.  Are you
 >    kidding me?  Is this a joke?

Alvin, I am NOT kidding you.  He told this story in my house, to me, a guest from  Amsterdam, a guest from Orlando, and my husband.

>
 >    I have a copy of Architecture.  I borrowed it from the library at our offices
 >    near Boulder.  I did copy it and I still have that copy.  Now that the whole
 >    world knows this I suppose that I am not very safe anymore.  Thanks to all of
 >    you for letting everyone know about my private research. 

Alvin, nobody has mentioned this from OUR side.  VB is the one telling the story.

Please stay calm here.  It is crucial.

>
 >    VB has only once glanced at Architecure.  I would NEVER give a book like that to
 >    someone like VB.  I am having it translated.

Well, I don't even know what it is except that he says it is very important and  that he got, from you, a copy.

>
 >    This is serious bullshit.  If he said this then he is a liar.  Again, I have
 >    witnesses to all of the above.

Well, I am believing you or I would not be telling you the "rest of the story."

I keep telling you: this is not a joke.  It is serious. 

L


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Hendaye and Ophanic Intelligences.

Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:25:50 -0500

On 11 Dec 2001, at 13:25, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> I have never read VB's site.  But I am now!!!!!!!

Bless your heart.  We have to wake up here.  It's NOT a joke.

I have been very scared to share some of these things with you, but I took the  chance that you were as deceived as we were. 

Laura


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Essential info [private]

Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:34:27 -0500

On 11 Dec 2001, at 13:29, Goldenflower@... wrote:

> Please send me anything that was said about JR.  I will send it on to him and
 >    have him sue VB into the next century.  This is very serious crap and I am
 >    having a very difficult time believeing what you are saying.
 >   

The first time he told the story to me was on the phone on about the 7th or 8th  of August , 2000.  He was trying to convince me that I had been messed with by  this extended network of Satanists, of whom Mr. R was the "head man."  He told  me that he wrote the Jon Benet article and discovered the "link between the  Satanists" and this murder, and that Mr. R was implicated in it.  He suggested  that the TWO of you made this discovery, but that you were still working for  Mr. R.  He was trying to convince me that I needed his "therapy."

He then followed it up with the following email, in which he explains why he is  unable to come down.  He is saying that you were fired from your job by Mr. R  for talking with VB on the phone about the JonBenet murder... and all the other  things that followed in this email.  The idea was, I guess, to "wind me up"  into a state of fear or something.

Well, sure, I was scared.  I was afraid to tell anybody!  

so, read the email now - I have included all the headers for validation  purposes since you are having trouble believeing what I am telling you.

Received: from unix.carolina.net (voice.carolina.net [208.170.147.214]) by  ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version  5.5.2650.21)                  id P916730Z; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:59:32 -0400  Received: from [206.100.50.55] [206.100.50.55] by unix.carolina.net with ESMTP    (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC2817800D6; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:59:52 EDT  User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) 
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:59:40 -0400 
Subject: Re: Visit, accidents and disasters 
From: "Maynerd Most"  ...@ac.net
To:  laura@cassiopaea>  Message-ID:  B5B8E45C.49C%...@ac.net>  In-Reply-To:  39928139.18417.3DCE03@localhost>  Mime-version: 1.0  Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"  Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit  X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P4A700.CNM

Dear Laura, 

Yep, you are quite right. I was merely pointing out there was a sharp  increase in weirdness, above and beyond normal. Timing is everything. I,  personally, am an old hand at staying shielded. The attacks came toward weak  links. Alvin, in fact, worked for a key figure in all this, Jirka Resavy, mystery  Yugoslavian business man. We had talked about everything under the sun,  including Jon Benet Ramsey, on the company phone line. We start talking  seriously about your piece of the puzzle, and boom, the buy-out is over!

What could be worse than implicating JR himself in JBR's murder? Duh, I  don't know, talking to a channeler in Florida? Something very strange is  going on, indeed! 

Key point: for something to happen to all our computer systems, someone had to  come in the house, turn on and download. Darlene works half a block away, and I  am home all the time. We haven't had this kind of personal care since the 1995  Egypt trip's aftermath! We are shielded against anything but a direct physical  assault, and even that to a great degree. In our very small town, the police  force are our friends, Darlene designed their official arm patches, and  strangers are noticed. A quick in and out, hit and run means that they,  whoever,  are desperate. Why?

You got it, knowledge protects, but knowledge of what exactly?

More later after I read and cogitate on attachments and such.

Maynerd


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Warning Will Smith!  [private]

Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:59:58 -0500

On 11 Dec 2001, at 14:42, Goldenflower@... wrote:

 >    It is time for cooler heads to prevail.  This has an air of cointelpro. 

Well, while I keep seeing little hints of that, I can't be sure.  I know that I  am in over my head on this one, and that somebody is behind VB... and yeah,  maybe we are just the Polish cavalry charging the german tanks...

But it may be that VB is just a psychopathic Alvin Wiley type.  We have to  keep that as an alternative explanation.

>
 >    I need to see proof about VB.  If what you say is true I will sue him
 >    immediately.  I will probably need you as witnesses.

I have sent you the two emails where he says right out that Mr. R was  implicated in the JonBenet case... and that you were the "weak link," whatever  that meant, which I am not sure anymore.

And then the other email where he says that Mr. R is "the devil himself."

He is very careful to not write about this very much, but to only say it in  conversation.  But those two emails are where he really slipped up because they  are evidence.

OOOOPS!  Ark is running a search on his computer... he just found another one  will send it separately.

As to the remarks about that book - which I don't even know what it is except  that he says there are very few copies - as I said, he recounted this story to  four of us.  I have to say that my husband, despite the fact that you were  convince that he was a liar and not fit to be a janitor, has an excellent  reputation.  The other two individuals also are business men with excellent  reputations, so I hardly think they could be accused of lying, even if you were  convinced by VB that we were.  We were not and, like you, we have proof and  witnesses.

O***, one of the guests who heard the story, lives in Amsterdam and flies over  to stay with us occasionally and was here at the time. 

   
 >    Everything I have said to you is true and I have witnesses to prove it.  Mr.
 >    "Most", if he did  say any or all of the things you said, is lying.  He is
 >    lying on his website if he said that he 'recieved' the Hendaye knowledge in Aug
 >    96.  I didn't even know him in Aug. 96!

As I said, what is seen is only the tip of the iceberg.  But his ego makes him  commit these stupid errors that indicate all the rest that is beneath the  surface.

>
 >    Since I had already told JR, and many others, about my discoveries years
 >    before I met VB - I cannot understand where VB is getting this from.

Where he gets everything.. right out of his head... or instructions from  somewhere else, but we don't know that.  Again, he could just be a very sick  Alvin Wiley type.

> I can see
 >    that he was glomming onto my work.  He helped, I am not saying that, but most of
 >    the work had been done before he even came on board which was Nov 97 (Again I
 >    have witnesses).  For instance, I had already wrote and directed the documentary
 >    'Earth Under Fire' by Oct 97.  This was a month before I told VB at my house in
 >    the Rockies (which I didn't buy until Aug 97).  JR financed the Earth under Fire
 >    film because he saw how it coincided with the Hendaye material I had dug up.  He
 >    and I made the film to show people the catastrophic double nature of a galactic
 >    explosion.   Just like Fulcanelli, and the cross said.  I had done all of this
 >    before I told VB.  So you can understand my being a little pissed off when he
 >    tries to steal my work. 

Again, join the club.

>
 >    I have been through many trials.  Many people had tried to destroy my
 >    credibility.  I stayed out of the Dan Winter/ Stan thing.  I guarentee you this.
 >     Stan Tenen told me that JR was the only guy who could really understand his
 >    work.  Someone manipulated Stan into Hating JR.  And I have no idea why.

Do we see a reflection in that event in you hating us?????  Mr. "Wiley", I  think we have all been "had."

   JR
 >    gave Stan a lot of money to finance his research.  Until Stan and Hoagland
 >    burned JR he was a very generous man.  Not very discerning perhaps, but generous
 >    - to a fault.

That is what the C's said.  Even if you don't believe in them, they believe in  you and Mr. R and told us that VB was lying about all of you.

>
 >    Again, I am the only person who knows the inside story about JR.  I was one of
 >    the first people hired at Gaiam.  I created catalogues, directed films, and
 >    developed projects for them.  There is no satanic activity going on at Gaiam.
 >    Capitalist maybe but not satanic. The idea is ridiculous.  Someone is trying to
 >    destroy him. 

Not only him, but us too... and you... and God knows who else. 

>
 >    If it is VB then I will go after him.  But I need to see proof.

Gonna send a big one in just a sec.

>
 >    Also I would appreciate any documents that state I 'purloined' anything from
 >    JR's office.  This guy has hundreds of millions of dollars.  Why wouldn't he
 >    have fired me if he caught me purloining anything from his office.  The fact is
 >    that he knew that I had copied the book and He was not vbery happy with that
 >    fact.  That was the extent of the affair. 

That item was told in conversation, though I am sure that the witnesses will be  happy to confirm it.

>
 >    Maybe someone doesn't like it when a rich guy hands out money for research?
 >    Maybe someone is attempting to destroy JR?

Maybe somebody just wants to destroy anything that is the result of honest  work? 

Okay, let me send this and will then send the email Ark found in his folders.

L


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     (Fwd) Re: censorship and other issues

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:22:30 -0500

Here is the email Ark found in his folders.

When VB was removed from our list, he sent his "rebuttal" to the list of  recipients that I have left on the email so that you can see who also witnessed  these remarks. 

VB was responding to our private announcment to our private group, that we were  going to cancel our attendance at the conference, along with our reasons why,  all of which had to do with the discovered connection to magic, nazis,  satanism, etc. , the threats from Stan Tenen on the physics list, the ranting  of Kochav and the ADL, etc.  The storm was building and we could clearly see  where the lightning was going to strike, and that we had been set-up.

VB's response, following my comments, are typical.  Most telling he says that  he never gave me permission to repeat his story about Mr. R - which is a  backward way of saying that what I recounted as his "story" was accurate,  because he did not deny that he ever said any of it.

He also makes some remarks about you, but I don't know how accurate they are.

L

------- Forwarded message follows -------


Date sent:   Tue, 07 Aug 2001 12:50:56 -0400
Subject:     Re: censorship and other issues
From:        "Maynerd Most"  ...@ac.net>
To:           aethyrea  aethyrea@yahoo.com   [CC recipient emails deleted for privacy]

I don't know how you guys feel about censorship, but if you've been reading the cassiopaean list, and my apologies to those who are no longer connected, and don't have a clue what is going on, well, these censored emails should have  fill you in. I would appreciate it someone would see that everyone not included in this mailing get a chance to see it as well. maybe someone will one brave  enough to re-post on the list.

Thanks,

Maynerd

And here's the censored email to the big list:

Greetings group,

My previous announcement of a return was unfortunately premature. My thanks to all for the good vibes...

Thought I would start with the backed up comments on AMET, as we call it for short. Bruce's summary was very interesting indeed, but not the whole story. Of course, if an intelligent reader can get that much out of, well, guess we did  as good as could be expected.

Keep in mind that AMET is meant to be a general reader kind of book, one that presents the basic concepts to people who probably haven't heard of any of it before as well as the more advanced reader in search of new ideas. That's a delicate balance and in places, such as the lack of footnotes, we erred on the side of simplicity. Also, while I am responsible for the final draft of the book, the Dr. LaViolette chapter and most of all the Peru chapter is the work  of my co-author, "Alvin Wiley".

Not passing the buck though. I think that Dr. LaViolette has very interesting ideas, even though he's off in places. The Peru connection is however more problematic.

When Alvin brought the project to me, he had already "decoded" the inscription on the Hendaye Cross and had the Cuzco/Urcos connection. Investigation on the ground revealed that there was probably some connection in Peru to the  Atlantian culture and even possible survivals from the last catastrophe. The Nazis  however had been there long before, and in an earlier version of AMET we covered this part of the story in detail. However we were advised to leave that part out as detracting from the thrust of our argument.

However, I came away from the whole Peru thing convinced that it was at best a half correct red herring designed to lead the materially inclined investigator on a dead end, such as all the Nazis in Peru. Hence chapter ten of AMET, which while simplistic, is at least attempting to address the basic issue of  cosmology and immortality.

But a curious thing happened while we were driving madly around southern France. I glimpsed a second interpretation of the Hendaye Cross. At a conference that August, another friend, David Tresemer, the guy who first spotted the crossing comets on the Gorgon's head, spontaneously hit on the solution that I had roughed out in France. Originally, as seen by our very inconclusive conclusion, we planned to plunge on with this second interpretation right to the heart of RLC business and beyond.

Many things have intervened since. Including my protracted involvement with all things Cassiopaean.  From which I have learned: Trust No One.

And on that note:

[Laura's note: here, the description of the problem is based exclusively on Mr.  "Most" "insider information" as shared with members of this group.  The  comments relate to Stan Tenen's post on the Sarfatti list.]

Because, the fact is, we are vulnerable here and Stan is moving very close to  that point of vulnerability - the fact that we agreed to appear at the Fifth  Way Mystery School conference in September - which would connect us almost directly to his[Stan's] "satanist/nazi" conspiracy.

Stan undoubtedly knows of the long relationship between Dan Winter and our own  Doc Strange, "Maynerd Most".  He probably also knows that Maynerd is no friend  of Jirka's because Maynerd [has told all of us that he] knew about Jirka's  connection to the Ramsey's and that is how he "saw" beneath the surface of the Ramsey case.  [According to  Maynerd] Jirka and his pals REALLY ARE into Satanism.  It's not a joke.  And Maynerd wrote about it as plainly as he could without risking going on a hit-list. [According to Maynerd]  It's clear that Maynerd is NOT one of them, but who will care?  He does  "enochian magic."

The fact is, [according to Maynerd] Jirka tried to "buy" Dan Winter, and  couldn't.  The fact is,  Stan knows that Dan was connected to Maynerd, that  Maynerd was supposed to publish Dan's book.  So, the thread is leading to  denounce us here as Satanists, Nazis and funded by Jirka [the head Satanist  according to Maynerd].

[According to Maynerd] his  own dabbling in things enochian are intended in quite another direction, however, that doesn't matter.  A connection is a connection.  And it is, in this case, a serious weakness in our defenses.

So it is, with regret, that Ark and I have decided that, for the safety of the  group, for the preservation of all we have worked so hard for, for so many years, that we must cancel our appearance at the conference in Zaca Lake.

We have walked a careful path, attempting to build a bridge between science and mysticism.  We have made tremendous progress.  And, we are certain that Maynerd will understand the necessity for this move, and will agreeably refund the pre- paid reservations for all of you who were going to attend simply to hang out with us.

And to make it up to all of you, we will arrange our own "symposium" in the  very near future.  I am sure that there is enough talent here on the group that we could have a nice series of lectures on varous topics from some of you!

Laura

Maynerd responds:  Well isn't that just grand! Things get rough and you decide to dump the person working overtime to get your material in print, to get you an income for your efforts and to give you a venue, a credible venue, in which to present  your ideas...

Sorry, but I don't understand. First you trash the conference with your disclaimer on the site, and then when its too late for a refund on the deposit and you're the only speaker left, you decide not to do it.  So, you  have your symposium, already scheduled, booked and paid for entirely by people who came to hear you guys anyway. Might be a good idea to take advantage of it. Don't worry, there won't be any one else there but the staff. Perhaps you'd  care to explain why that's not acceptable?

As for the rest of the above, well, let me say directly that I never asked, suggested or encouraged you in any way to write anything on Stan Tenen, nor did I give you permission to use my research on the case in your article, although  I can't stop you because it is in the public domain as part of the court proceedings. If you had asked, I would have told you that it was a bad idea for the reasons you have just experienced.

And I have never said anything on the record, or given permission for any private communications to be shared, concerning Mr. Jirka Rysavy and "satanism" or the JonBenet Ramsey case.

Having said that, and I hope everyone understands why, I do wish Laura and Ark all the best, as I do think that the Cs material has much of vital interest to us all.

I will continue lurking unless I am purged completely, in which I case I take this opportunity to say good bye to you all.

Maynerd

 ------- End of forwarded message -------



From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     (Fwd) [matrioshka] Re: dan stan and vincent from

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:02:40 -0500

Just FYI...

This from a public discussion board on which VB has posted a great deal of his  lies and disinfo... apparently, there is someone there who claims to know  something.  But, again, it sounds more like what they "know" is partly what  they have witnessed, and partly what they have been told.  

Again and again, it tracks back to VB.  What is interesting about this is that  there is a claim that Dan Winter/Drunvalo engaged VB and wife to attempt some  sort of Death Magic against Stan Tenen.

It just gets uglier and uglier.

------- Forwarded message follows -------


To:           matrioshka@yahoogroups.com 
From:        "wiolawa72"  wiolawa@getnet.com
Date sent:   Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:24:47 -0000 
Subject:     [matrioshka] Re: dan stan and vincent from
 
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--- In matrioshka@y..., Wiolawa wrote:
 >    
 >    "well it wasnt till a little later that dan brought holt to 
 >    my house.. and holt set up an assassination plot.. headed my way with 
 >    drunvalo...then dan had vincent and his wife do a ritual with sekmet 
 >    at bell rock in sedona. all nite and a crowley exericise in futility 
 >    to the ophanim.... i didnt like that either..as they were using my 
 >    timeshare...."
 >    
 >   
Andy asks: 
 >    I've been doing some checking and can find nothing on holt without 
 >    first names.
 >    
 >    I'm waiting to see VB's spin on this, that should be entertaining. 
 >    
 >    Are you serious about an "assassination plot?"  Who wanted to 
 >    assassinate who?  Who is "holt?"
 >    
 >    Was this the famous "Sedona Working?"  And it was an "assassination 
 >    plot?" That's all I can think of.  
 >    
 >    Have you heard any of the rumors about Drunvalo being a Satanist?  
 >    What about that Bulgarian or Czech or Rumanian guy who was backing 
 >    Stan and Drunvalo and Dan?  I heard he was mixed up in something 
 >    strange? What's the scoop on that?
 >    
 >    Andy......

well andy   you seem to be a knowledgeable student of the more esoteric...ron  holt was drunvalos  major jackass assistant.. and he is married to lyssssa  royal.. yerka..was the czech.. who funded drunvalo.bought him a million $$$  house temple.whatever in prescott..drug money king.. also funded hoagy... all  that is a long story.... i got out of the assassination attempt thanx to dennis  banks of aim.. police also trying to get drunvalo.. coca...etc..yes he is a  snake....sedona is headquartersfor much nwo shit..solarcapstone.org.. dan.....  hmmmm.. i do feel some sorrow for him.. he worked both sides.. for info..thanx  for your astute questions. take a look at kk.wiolawapress.com....when you have  time andy.....love wio


From:                Goldenflower@…..
Date sent:         Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:42:56 EST
Subject:           Re: Warning

To:                   laura@cassiopaea.org

Laura:

It is time for cooler heads to prevail.  This has an air of cointelpro. 

I need to see proof about VB.  If what you say is true I will sue him  immediately.  I will probably need you as witnesses.

Everything I have said to you is true and I have witnesses to prove it.  Mr.   "Most", if he did  say any or all of the things you said, is lying.  He is  lying on his website if he said that he 'recieved' the Hendaye knowledge in  Aug 96.  I didn't even know him in Aug. 96!

Since I had already told JR, and many others, about my discoveries years  before I met VB - I cannot understand where VB is getting this from.  I can  see that he was glomming onto my work.  He helped, I am not saying that, but  most of the work had been done before he even came on board which was Nov 97  (Again I have witnesses).  For instance, I had already wrote and directed the  documentary 'Earth Under Fire' by Oct 97.  This was a month before I told VB  at my house in the Rockies (which I didn't buy until Aug 97).  JR financed  the Earth under Fire film because he saw how it coincided with the Hendaye  material I had dug up.  He and I made the film to show people the  catastrophic double nature of a galactic explosion.   Just like Fulcanelli,  and the cross said.  I had done all of this before I told VB.  So you can  understand my being a little pissed off when he tries to steal my work. 

I have been through many trials.  Many people had tried to destroy my  credibility.  I stayed out of the Dan Winter/ Stan thing.  I guarentee you  this.  Stan Tenen told me that JR was the only guy who could really  understand his work.  Someone manipulated Stan into Hating JR.  And I have no  idea why.  JR gave Stan a lot of money to finance his research.  Until Stan  and Hoagland burned JR he was a very generous man.  Not very discerning  perhaps, but generous - to a fault.

Again, I am the only person who knows the inside story about JR.  I was one  of the first people hired at Gaiam.  I created catalogues, directed films,  and developed projects for them.  There is no satanic activity going on at  Gaiam.  Capitalist maybe but not satanic. The idea is ridiculous.  Someone is  trying to destroy him. 

If it is VB then I will go after him.  But I need to see proof.

Also I would appreciate any documents that state I 'purloined' anything from  JR's office.  This guy has hundreds of millions of dollars.  Why wouldn't he  have fired me if he caught me purloining anything from his office.  The fact  is that he knew that I had copied the book and He was not vbery happy with  that fact.  That was the extent of the affair. 

Maybe someone doesn't like it when a rich guy hands out money for research?   Maybe someone is attempting to destroy JR?

Sincerely

"Alvin Wiley"


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Question

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:51:05 -0500

Hi,

After receiving a number of emails from readers about VB and activities,  including the one that was forwarded to me yesterday from the Matrioshka  discussion group, and which I forwarded to you about VB and some sort of  bizarre "assassination" deal, I have begun to think that maybe there is  something to your remark about "cointelpro" whatever that is.

Another strange connection was mentioned by a reader in Austrailia who claims  that VB knows a local, wealthy pedophile far too well for it to be accidental.

Put that together with VB's "Sekhmet" post right after the WTC attack wherein  it was stated about the attack itself "The ringing voice of the goddess has  been heard at last..." yak yak...

And all of his remarks about drug running, gun running, and now this other  person mentioning drug activities etc (though I do NOT for a MOMENT think that  it has anything to do with Mr. R, becaus I think that part of this operation is  designed to bring Mr. R down through associations with such as Drunvalo, Holt,  etc... it is looking VERY ugly and very scary)  There are also VB's claims to  have Puharich's papers, etc... and on and on and on.

At this point, VB and Storm Bear are hassling our server and the server owners  don't want a hassle and are threatening to dump our site. 

So, we are tired of dealing with him and his continued ongoing attacks, libel,  slander, hassle etc etc.  We have had enough and we have enough bits and pieces  of evidence and claims that maybe it is time to just send it all to the FBI and  let them handle it. 

Somebody needs to put this guy and his gang, whoever they are - whether they  are Satanists or what - out of action.  If you and your boss think you can do  it, be my guest.  Otherwise, it all goes out of our hands.

Laura


From:                Goldenflower@…..
Date sent:         Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:03:05 EST
Subject:           Re: Question

To:                   laura@cassiopaea.org

Laura:

I left town for 2 days to think this whole thing over.

For one thing Jirka Rysavy and I have gone our seperate ways in Aug 2000.  I  haven't talked to him, even once, in that time.  I  am loyal to a fault and I  will send him the emails however that prove that VB is connecting JBR to JR.   I need VB's post to the physicists. 

If I go after VB it will have to be on my own.  I have to go where it hurts  which means I have to squash the publication of AMET - which I suspect is the  cause of this whole nasty business.  I don't want to do this because of all  my hard work but it is the only way to hurt VB.

Cointellpro is  counter intelligence program, a program started by certain  agencies in the 60's to root our radicals and disrupt organizations.  It  usually consists of a 'he said - she said' manipulation until everything is  thrown into chaos and everyone looks like fools.

The most difficult aspect of this entire affair, for me, is that I  unknowingly defended VB and attacked people , like you, who obviously didn't  deserve it.  For that I'm truly sorry.  I thought that you and VB were  organizing the event at Zaca and that you screwed me by backing out at the  last minute, without caring about the ramifications of your actions.  I am  very good at attacking because of my long years on the radio.  I was attacked  from all quarters then and became very good at attacking back.  It is a  purely defensive position from someone who has a right to be paranoid.

From what you have shown me I suspect that they may  infiltrated me with VB.   This does not exonerate me from responsibility however.  I should have been  more discerning.  I will do whatever has to be done to rectify the situation.

Thank you for your time and keep updated on all events concerning VB.  I will  be writing him instructing him stop selling AMET or I will sue him.  It is  the only thing that I can do to stop him outside of suing him, which I will  have to do, probably, anyway.

Sincerely,

"Alvin Wiley"


From:        Laura Knight-Jadczyk  laura@cassiopaea>
To:           Goldenflower@...
Subject:     Re: Question

Send reply to:                  laura@cassiopaea
Date sent:   Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:12:27 -0500

On 13 Dec 2001, at 18:03, Goldenflower@... wrote:

>
 >    I left town for 2 days to think this whole thing over.

Hi, I don't blame you.  I have stayed upset for the past 4 months.

>
 >    For one thing Jirka Rysavy and I have gone our seperate ways in Aug 2000.  I
 >    haven't talked to him, even once, in that time.  I  am loyal to a fault and I
 >    will send him the emails however that prove that VB is connecting JBR to JR.  I
 >    need VB's post to the physicists. 

The post to the physicists was the one I sent by Stan in which I recognized,  almost word for word, VB's story.  It was at that moment that I "woke up."  I  knew that Stan was sincere, but that he had been manipulated too, because I did  not for a minute believe Mr.R was guilty. 

>
 >    If I go after VB it will have to be on my own.  I have to go where it hurts
 >    which means I have to squash the publication of AMET - which I suspect is the
 >    cause of this whole nasty business.  I don't want to do this because of all my
 >    hard work but it is the only way to hurt VB.

Perhaps you can go another route with it?  I was rereading his whole story  which I, by the way, posted on the site yesterday - and over and over again he  was saying "my book, my work, my research."  Well, back when, everyone believed  him.  You were just the "behind the scenes flunky who wrote two chapters."  So,  re-reading that nonsense, after you have said that you did all that work (which  I so much admired, and which was what convinced me that VB was a scholar, by  the way) -anyway, I was just sick.

As for anything else, well... VB is very clever.. he doesn't own anything.   Even though he claims that sales of AMET have "spiked," what does it mean when  he doesn't even have a legal company to do the accounting?

>
 >    Cointellpro is  counter intelligence program, a program started by certain
 >    agencies in the 60's to root our radicals and disrupt organizations.  It usually
 >    consists of a 'he said - she said' manipulation until everything is thrown into
 >    chaos and everyone looks like fools.

Oy.  Now I DO think I'm going to be sick.  That is EXACTLY what this is like.   And we aren't the only ones.  A*** B*** , in New York, who did a whole  raft of research on Montauk, etc, has been caught in the exact same trap. 

>
 >    The most difficult aspect of this entire affair, for me, is that I
 >    unknowingly defended VB and attacked people , like you, who obviously didn't
 >    deserve it.

Well, I feel the same way about you and a number of other people who I also  thought were "the enemy."  Now, what do I do?  There is almost nothing I can  say to excuse the fact that I allowed VB to convince me that they were doing  things that they obviously (now) were never doing.  One is that poor guy who  just wanted to promote books and VB had to get rid of him so he convinced  everyone that the guy was spying on him because he, VB that is, was talking to  us.


 >   For that I'm truly sorry.  I thought that you and VB were
 >    organizing the event at Zaca and that you screwed me by backing out at the last
 >    minute, without caring about the ramifications of your actions.

It's almost comical if it didn't hurt so much.  WE though YOU and VB were  organizing the event, and that you were his "partner" in all things - or  really, his "sidekick." 

Another really sick thing he did was subscribe me to his FWMS discussion group  without even asking me.  I had no idea what it was all about - damn it!  I was  working!  I didn't have time to pay attention to all his maneuvers!  And I  tried to be polite about it and wrote a couple of posts to what I perceived as  some abysmally ignorant people.  After 3 or 4 posts, the whole thing gave me  the creeps and I didn't even bother reading it anymore.

Well, guess what?  NOW the fact that I was on that list is being touted as  proof that I was on a "ritual magick list!"

Geez.  Never mind the fact that I can prove to anybody who wants to look at my  mail folders that I never opened or read the messages after January. 


 >    I am very good
 >    at attacking because of my long years on the radio.  I was attacked from all
 >    quarters then and became very good at attacking back.  It is a purely defensive
 >    position from someone who has a right to be paranoid.

Well, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you! 

Yeah, I know it's a sick joke, but darned if it isn't true in this case.

What's the body count by now?  How much death and destruction has this guy left  in his wake?  Why has he targeted Mr. R?  Why us?  Why Stan Tenen?  Why Dan  Winter (who is probably whacky, but harmless without VB pulling the strings  from all I could tell - though I could be wrong again on that.)

>
 >    From what you have shown me I suspect that they may  infiltrated me with VB.

Yup.  Question is: why?

> This does not exonerate me from responsibility however.  I should have been more
 >    discerning.  I will do whatever has to be done to rectify the situation.

Alvin, I don't know if ANYTHING can be done.  VB doesn't own anything so you  can't threaten him financially.  He and his friend Storm Bear are having a  great time defaming us all over the web as a cult and calling my husband a Nazi  infiltrator.  Never mind that my husband's family lost everything they had to  the Nazi's during WWII and survived, (and only a few of them at that) barely  with the clothes on their backs.  I stay upset day after day.  I cry a lot.  I  spend time I ought to be working on my book (which you would like, by the way),  writing web pages to defend these vicious attacks. 

He had his computer pal Storm Bear falsify a message from my husband to another  person who was ready to jump on us.  The only thing is, since English is not  Ark's first language, I was able to convince people that Ark didn't write it  because he is not familiar with American slang and the email was so colloquial  that anybody could see that.

Now, they have threatened our host server with legal action and the guy has  told us we have to move our site...

And it just never ends. 

If you can think of anything that we haven't thought of, please let us know.   These guys are literally spiritual terrorists. 

>
 >    Thank you for your time and keep updated on all events concerning VB.  I will be
 >    writing him instructing him stop selling AMET or I will sue him.  It is the only
 >    thing that I can do to stop him outside of suing him, which I will have to do,
 >    probably, anyway.

See above.  Sueing him won't stop him.  I don't think anything will.

I will keep my eyes open, and when people send me stuff (which they do) I will  let you know.

Do NOT expect it to be easy to deal with.  Telling the guy "no" and meaning it  will bring the wrath of Hell down on your head because he has a new covy of  folks who believe everything he tells them.

Best, and good luck.  You'll need it.

Laura


From:                Goldenflower@....
Date sent:         Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:45:09 EST
Subject:           STOP AMET NOW!

To:                   ...@ac.net
Copies to:          laura@cassiopaea.org

Maynerd:

After much thought and investigation I have determined that your reputation,  and your many untruths, have cost us so much in credibility that I feel that  I must, reluctantly, demand that Aeytheria Books please stop selling,  distributing or in any way promoting the book 'A Monument to the End of Time'  by "Alvin Wiley" and "Maynerd Most".

As I have no contract, and it is obvious, by now,  that you misrepresented  yourself to me, that I have no choice but to break all contacts between you  and I.

I also want you, and your web site, to state specifically that you did not  hear about my research on the Cross at Hendaye until November 1997.  You have  consistantly misrepresented your research into the matter that I no longer  wish for the association to be made at all.  If you write any books on the  research of Hendaye I will sue you to stop publication of any and all books  that you write concerning the subject.

I have ample proof that you lied repeatedly about your relationship with  Jirka Rysavy and myself.  You have told people that you met him and he knew  that you 'saw through him'.  Maynerd you never met JR.  NEVER!  Not in NC ,  Not in Boulder, not anywhere on planet Earth.

You have trashed me and lied about me on numerous occasions.  It is obvious  that you are and ego out of control - or worse.  I wish to have nothing to do  with you any longer.

With the lies you have told others about how I 'stole' 'Architecture of  Nature' from Jirka's office and GAVE it to you.  What a lie.  What a  'fuck-you' to someone who was your friend.  Absolutely nothing about the  statement is the truth.  I took nothing from JR's office and you know it.  I  certainly never gave such a valuable book to you.  By the way, the reason  that RL was so upset about this incident was that he thought you would get  the book.  He thought that you were definately part of the counterfeit  intiation and indeed he was right - much to my chagrin.

I have offically apologized to Laura and Ark for my believing your many lies.   I look forward to working with them to uncover everything else about you  that can be discovered.  Perhaps you are the reason for the fight between Dan  and Stan.  I had never thought of it before - but, dangit, you seem to be  everywhere that trouble errupts.  Why is that VB?

How many more of your stories are lies and fabrications?  You see that is why  I must insist on withdrawing AMET from publication.  I don't know how many  lies are carefully concealed within its pages.

If you don't withdraw the book from publication I will sue you for personal  and financial damages.  I know that you do not have any money but I feel that  I must win in court to protect my own credibility.

Thanks for destroying all my research on the secret of Hendaye.  Thanks for  claiming credit where you deserved none.  Thanks for stealing and lieing  behind my back. Thanks for your many insults concerning me.  They will not be  forgotten.

Sincerely,

"Alvin Wiley"


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